Reframing Your Inner Narrative: Elevating Your Story to Inspire Self-Discovery

Join me for an enlightening conversation with Kimberly Crow, a dynamic public speaker and entrepreneur, who reveals how to reshape the internal narratives that shape our lives. You'll learn how these subconscious stories can limit self-worth and fuel imposter syndrome, and discover the transformative power of reframing them. Kimberly shares her personal journey of shifting from a victim mentality to embracing her unique contributions, offering practical insights for personal growth and self-acceptance.

Explore the art of narrative reframing as we discuss how altering our perceptions can lead to profound personal growth. Whether it's viewing the eldest child's responsibilities as a leadership opportunity or recognizing the strengths gained from childhood roles, we emphasize the empowering potential of positive self-perception. By acknowledging our experiences and contributions, we aim to help you cultivate a mindset that supports both self-acceptance and continual improvement.

Finally, this episode highlights the immense value of public speaking platforms in sharing one's unique message. Kimberly discusses the impact of initiatives like Podapalooza, Entrepreneurs Rocket Fuel Web Summit, and Speaker's Playhouse, which provide supportive environments for voices to be heard. We remind you that your story matters, and through sharing it, you can inspire and impact others. Engage with this episode to find the encouragement and tools to break free from limiting beliefs and embrace your full potential.

Show Notes
Kimberly Crowe is a best-selling author, international and inspirational speaker, business coach, founder of Entrepreneurs Rocket Fuel, and co-founder of Speakers Playhouse. Her passion is to get entrepreneurs seen and heard in a bigger way by getting them connected with the stages, the people, and the opportunities they need to grow their revenue and reach, from virtual to in-person stages, live stages, podcasts, web summits, webinars, Facebook Live, and YouTube shows.  Entrepreneurs Rocket Fuel is an active community of entrepreneurs looking to connect, contribute, and grow with other entrepreneurs. Speakers Playhouse is a gathering of speakers and stage hosts having fun and sharing their passion.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Reframing the Inner Narrative
• 13:11 Shifting Narratives for Growth
• 26:05 Healing and Self-Discovery Through Narrative
• 32:21 Empowerment Through Public Speaking Opportunities

Transcript

Kimberly Crowe: 0:00

I think the narratives that we have running in our head are we're so used to them that we don't even hear them anymore. They're like elevator music. They're running, we're just not. We're just not aware of them, and it's stories, oftentimes, that other people have given us right. They said things to try to protect us or try to keep us from being embarrassed or try to keep us for whatever.

Kimberly Crowe: 0:26

Like you know, straighten up and make sure that you don't do this, and just all of those criticisms that maybe were well-meaning at one time but now are running in the back of our heads and guiding our behaviors. And being aware of them is the first step of that, and I think it really leads to that. It's what's behind imposter syndrome, right, that we're not good enough, that we like who the hell are we to? You know, help other people do this one thing, or you know who do we think we are to be smart or an expert in this particular area, and we take that away from ourselves very, very quickly because of those tapes that are running in the back of our head.

Jami Carlacio: 1:15

Welcome to the podcast Emotional Intelligence your greatest asset and key to success. I'm your host, Dr. Jami Carlacio, coming to you from the Greater New Haven, connecticut area, as an emotional intelligence or EQ coach. I'm committed to helping people develop both emotional intelligence and mental fitness. That is, you'll come to regard problems as situations that help you learn and grow. Eq is a way of being and doing in the world that enables you to develop and sustain a positive relationship with yourself and others, at home, at work and everywhere in between. Please subscribe to this podcast and tap the like button so more people can enjoy the benefits of EQ.

Jami Carlacio: 1:59

And now here's the show. Hello and welcome everybody. Thank you for joining me. I am totally excited today because somebody that I admire very much is with us today. Her name is Kimberly Crow and you may know of her. She is the owner of Entrepreneur's Rocket Fuel and she has the Speaker's Playhouse every Thursday that she co-hosts with Jenny Trask, and I have to tell you all of that's going to be in the show notes, but I guarantee you it is the best 90 minutes of your week, isn't that right? Absolutely, yeah. So just a couple words about Kimberly before we launch into our discussion about couple words about Kimberly before we launch into our discussion about reframing the narrative.

Jami Carlacio: 2:52

Kimberly is an international and inspirational public speaker, keynote speaker, tedx speaker and an authority on Speak to Sell, and I'm interested to hear about that. It sounds like you need to be on the Home Shopping Network, sister, and she's also a best-selling author and a serial entrepreneur, and I've been following Kimberly for a couple of years now. And she's also a best-selling author and a serial entrepreneur, and I've been following Kimberly for a couple of years now and I have to say that she is one of the most amazing people I've ever met and that's why I asked her to come on this podcast today. She is a broadcast personality of the weekly online show, as I said, speakers Playhouse, and she's the founder of Entrepreneurs Rocket Fuel Keywords rocket fuel right. She is also known for her expertise on audience engagement and her mission is to make speaking on stages super accessible and super fun for entrepreneurs and coaches to share their message with the world.

Jami Carlacio: 3:41

And actually, since that is part of the bio you sent me, I will ask you to talk about some of the stages that you run and how people can start getting themselves out there and getting that word out. But first we talked about reframing the narrative, and you and I are both students of Shirzad Shamin's Positive Intelligence and I know for me the judge has taken over my life not anymore, but for a long time I let the judge decide who I was, how I felt, who everyone else was, and it really just made a mess of my life. It really just made a mess of my life and it wasn't until I started realizing I had control over the narrative and that it didn't have control over me that things changed.

Kimberly Crowe: 4:33

Yeah, I think the narratives that we have running in our head are we're so used to them that we don't even hear them anymore.

Kimberly Crowe: 4:40

They're like elevator music they're running, we're just not, we're just not aware of them. And it's stories, oftentimes, that other people have given us right, Things that our parents said. Maybe they were even well-meaning, but they said things to try to protect us or try to keep us from being embarrassed, or try to keep us for whatever, like straighten up and make sure that you don't do this, and just all the those criticisms that maybe were well-meaning at one time. But now we're running in the back of our heads and and guiding our behaviors, and and being aware of them is the first step of that, and I think it's it really leads to that. It's what's behind imposter syndrome, right, that we're not good enough, that we like who the hell are we to? You know, help other people do this one thing, or you know who do we think we are to be smart or an expert in this particular area and we take that away from ourselves very very quickly because of those tapes that are running in the back of our head.

Kimberly Crowe: 5:43

It's my belief that we can shift those narratives, and sometimes we can't do a 180 on them, because just saying like going from you're not good enough to I'm amazing is difficult, right, but generally shifting them to something that I think people believe as what we call also true, but more positive, is really a powerful shift.

Jami Carlacio: 6:08

Yeah, I love that Also. True, we are not perfect people. One thing I've learned is just to embrace my imperfectly perfect self and say it's okay. I used to be so afraid to make a mistake because I had internalized so many negative messages growing up that when I made a mistake, it was magnified in my mind to something that was completely unforgivable.

Kimberly Crowe: 6:33

Oh.

Jami Carlacio: 6:34

I know.

Kimberly Crowe: 6:35

Yes, but that is something that we've all been through, right, I'm like I'm just, I'm doing that because I'm like, oh, small Kimberly, same thing, right, like when, when I'm playing small or letting those phrases take over, and I have it in all different like we have it in all different areas in our life. Are we good enough for our spouse? Are we being kind enough to our kids? Are we a good enough kid for our parents? Are we a good enough friend to our friends? Are we a good enough leader in our industry? Are we a good enough employee? Whatever? It is like there is something that's going to take that away from us in any aspect, and maybe we're confident in one, but not so confident in another, but really just being able to find things that are also true.

Kimberly Crowe: 7:18

Like you said, I'm not perfect, and I get, I'm comfortable with that now. Yes, but the big news is everybody's not perfect. And I get, I I'm comfortable with that now. Yes, but the big news is everybody's not perfect. Like we're just part of the pack, right, there's nobody out there. That's perfect, that we have to live up to because we're all human. So, like just taking that away as the ideal, like oh, I have to be perfect before I get on stage, I have to be perfect before I give my talk, I have to be perfect before I launch my program, that's just something that's going to keep us procrastinating forever because we never will be perfect. And I've met so many people who perfected a talk before they got on stage and then, once they got on stage, they're like huh, I think I need to change that Right, so it wasn't perfect.

Kimberly Crowe: 8:06

Anyway, my method because I teach speakers and I help people that are entrepreneurs to get on stages my method is get out there and do it a lot. The best way to get good at public speaking is to speak publicly, and the best way to get good at anything is to do it repeatedly Right. You're not going to get it right the first time out of the can. No matter how much you practice in front of your mirror or how much you perfect something before you go live, there's always going to be something that you tweak later. I think in my other bio or on my website I have that part of my bio is that I've spoken on over 5,000 stages yeah, tedx in Las Vegas. And I always ask the audience do you know what talk was my best talk? And sometimes people will say, oh, the TEDx, probably. And I'll say, no, it's my next talk. My next talk is my best talk because I can always improve based on this talk I can get better for the next one.

Jami Carlacio: 9:04

Yeah, and what I like about that attitude is that it's fine not to be perfect, because for me the word doesn't belong in the dictionary, because we have this kind of idealized notion that there is something to live up to. Yes, you're showing up as your best self. I go to the four agreements, you know. The very last one is do the best you can every day, and what your best is on Monday may not be the best it is on Tuesday, but it was the best it could be on Monday and just show up and be the best, and then, if it's not what you want, or you want to aspire to more great, but don't spend Tuesday beating yourself up for Monday.

Kimberly Crowe: 9:53

For sure and also consider who can benefit from that right. Yes, the people that you learned from. They weren't perfect either. Right, the mentors that we have? They weren't perfect. And if they waited to be perfect before they had given us the advice that changed our lives, we never would have benefited from that Right. So if we wait to share our learnings with our audience and we don't do it, then who's missing out? And I often make the analogy of you don't have to be the best at something before you start helping others.

Kimberly Crowe: 10:33

You don't have to wait to be perfect before you start. Even a second grader is brilliant to a kindergartner.

Jami Carlacio: 10:42

Oh, absolutely Absolutely. Somebody who's done something a day longer than I have knows more than I do, Right, Right. But you know and that goes back to reframing the narrative If our narrative is all about beating ourselves up like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I did that thing, or everyone's going to know, I mean, we're so outer directed, like what are other people going to think? So we've internalized stuff, but we've also, I feel like we've made stuff up, Like I might make something up about what I think you're thinking. Oh yeah To you know. So what is Kimberly going to think? Well, Kimberly has. I haven't even entered your train of thought. You're like worried about did you get good breakfast today? What am I doing, thinking about what you're going to think? So that's again, that's that reframing of the narrative. You know, there's something I learned in Landmark and that was there's your story and then there's your story about the story.

Kimberly Crowe: 11:38

Yeah, yeah, and even the story isn't true, right, it's what we saw in the story. If you ask two or five or 10 different people that went to Disneyland to describe what their day was, they could have been on the same ride. They could have eaten the same food. They all have different experiences.

Kimberly Crowe: 11:56

There's a fun family story that we have where my brother and I went on a river cruise in Jamaica one time. We were on a cruise ship. It was a wonderful trip, but we were young and so we went on this, um, this river cruise together and then we came back at night. We were telling the story at the dinner, where everybody was gathered. They said how was your river cruise? And so jeffrey was telling the story and I'd be like it wasn't like that at all. It was like this, right. And then, like they, by the end of it, they were like were you on two different cruises? Like what happened there? It's two totally different stories about the event. I might have like Jeffrey went in the water and he almost got eaten by piranhas and he's like I don't think that happened and I'm like yes, it did, don't you remember? It was two totally different stories.

Jami Carlacio: 12:42

I think I would have liked to have been on your river cruise.

Kimberly Crowe: 12:45

I think it would have been a blast. There was a torrential rainstorm. He's like, yeah, it rained a little bit. I'm like, no, it was in the sea five feet in front of us and then mosquitoes came in and swarmed. But then rain came, the mosquitoes went away and he was like almost eaten alive. He's like I got maybe 10 bites and I'm like you were almost eaten alive. It was just, yeah, two totally different stories and I'm like you were almost eaten alive.

Jami Carlacio: 13:08

It was just yeah two totally different stories, right, yeah, and so that also. I think it's as long as we know, as long as we're aware. This is my perception. You know, this is the pair of glasses I've got on when I'm reading this situation, and maybe a lot of people don't realize that they have those glasses on even right, like, oh, guess what? You know, like my son and I see myself in him when he's 17. Now, and so he'll have a narrative about something, and I try to help him shift the narrative because in his mind, you know, he did X and the world's falling down, the world's going to cave in. And my favorite thing is to tell people if you think you're so indispensable or you think XYZ is such a big deal, go drive by the cemetery and just ask those people yeah, because the world is still spinning. Your mistake, didn't you know? If it did shift the world, maybe it had to, who knows. But the point is, I know for me I'm not as important as I make myself out to be in my own mind.

Kimberly Crowe: 14:19

That's interesting, because we are infinitely important and yet we are not at all important. There's a great quote from a yogi master who said all of you are perfect just the way you are, and all of you could do with a little improvement. Isn't that great? Yes, yeah, like that allows us to accept where we are now and it allows us to grow, which is what we're here to do. In my opinion, we are here on this planet to grow and to experience and to have experiences and to learn and to and to give experiences to the universe, because your experiences are going to be totally different than mine.

Kimberly Crowe: 14:58

And if I'm trying to live up to Jamie and I'm trying to be more like you, then the universe gets denied the opportunity to live a little bit more like Kimberly, right? So I think, really, we're entitled to our own experiences and, at the same time, they're not as world impacting as we think they are when we make decisions. So my shift, your narrative, is all about taking an example of. We'll just take a couple of examples that are out there. So oftentimes there's people in the audience that would be like firstborn and they have this narrative that, like I was the firstborn and so I had to be in charge of my family, I had to take care of everybody. Meanwhile, there's the baby of the family and I happen to be the baby of the family, right? So I have a different story, had a different story. Like I was the baby of the family, so I always got ignored, so I had to call attention to myself because they were busy being like paying attention to other people, you know.

Kimberly Crowe: 15:54

So when we shift the narrative, shifting the narrative to something that's the opposite, is difficult. Where, if I said, if the older child said, oh, I didn't have to be responsible for anybody, I lived a great life. Maybe they don't feel like that, right, but we got to get them a little bit further into something that's a little more positive. So a suggestion if you're out there listening and you are the oldest in the family, instead of saying I had to be responsible for everyone and my parents, you know, made like, made me in charge of everything Instead of that, you might say when I was the oldest of the family, I got to be in charge of everyone and that made me a better leader in the world. And I and leadership comes very easily to me now, exactly.

Jami Carlacio: 16:42

I was, I was that way, yeah, perfect.

Kimberly Crowe: 16:44

Yeah, it's also true, like you can be like oh, that is true, and it's not like you. You suddenly are reversing it Like, oh, I didn't have to be in charge of anybody, no, you did, but let's make the story be something that's more positive for your life. And also true that you believe, rather than just trying to pretend that it's not true. So, for the baby of the family, for those of you out there that are the baby and you're like yeah, I was ignored by me too. I have stories about my older brother. I was ignored, nobody paid attention to me, blah, blah, blah. I can also say, yeah, by the time I came around, my parents were already broken in and I pretty much got to do what I wanted.

Kimberly Crowe: 17:26

That's a different story. That serves me better than saying I was ignored and I had to call attention to myself. But it's a. It's a story. That's also true. My parents let me pretty much do, and that made me very inventive as a child, so inventing new things comes super easily to me now. Yeah, and it does like that's super true for me and it's probably true for you, who created a podcast and launched a program. Yes, babies in the family. Invention comes really easy to us because we were pretty much left alone to do what we wanted, because our parents didn't, like weren't hovering over us like oh my gosh, I might break her Right First. Children sometimes were so like, let's spin it to be of an advantage. There's lots of stories out there that that detract from people, though, like stories about money, stories about relationships, and those all can be shifted as well.

Jami Carlacio: 18:18

Yeah, you know that just I can think of so many things. Two things. I want to go back to the family for just a second. Once you have this narrative of I had to do this instead of I got to do that, or they trusted me to do blank, you know, they put me in charge of versus I had to be this, I had to, you've got that victim mentality going instead of the wow. Yeah, they trusted me, they saw that I could handle X and they gave that job to me, and so that's also. And the other thing is something else that I forgot that I'll probably come back to in a moment, but it had to do with who owns the narrative. Oh, I know it's kind of like, well, we're not that family, right, that's not us, or you know so even a whole family or a whole culture can have its own narrative about itself that everyone buys into. And if that narrative and I want to go back to something you said really early about serving does it serve your highest good?

Kimberly Crowe: 19:24

Does it?

Jami Carlacio: 19:24

serve my highest good, so it doesn't serve anybody to have a super negative attachment to some kind of idea or ideal like, well, we aren't those people, or that's not how we do things in this family, or whatever. I mean, I don't want to get into real trauma and real oppression, but there are narratives that people hold on to, as if this is who we are and then nobody can break out of it.

Kimberly Crowe: 19:54

They think that's it.

Jami Carlacio: 19:55

It's frozen, it's frozen in time.

Kimberly Crowe: 20:04

And that those stories and we talk about that, like if you have a story that's spinning in your head, then find out, is that your story, that you made up, or is it somebody else's story that they, that they gave to you, like what your example, example is, your parents said we're not those people, that's not how we act, that's not how we operate, and as soon as you know it's their story, you can have the opportunity to let's give that back to them. That can be their story. Go ahead and let them be. That's their story, because we're not here to change their story, we're just here to be in charge of ours and so if you can say, oh, that was dad's story, that's fine, let dad have that story.

Kimberly Crowe: 20:37

But my story is going to be different. My story with my kids, my story with my family, my story with my life is different than dad's story with his life.

Jami Carlacio: 20:48

And that's okay. Yeah, and that is such a liberating thing. You know, my son went through something a few years ago that was really really really hard for him. You know, my son went through something a few years ago that was really really really hard for him and he's stuck in it. He gets stuck in that mode and so he's living in five years ago versus you know, and I'm trying to help him shift his narrative Instead of woe is me, this thing happened? It's no, but look how strong you are now. Look where you are today. No, but look how strong you are now. Look where you are today. You are five years out of that thing and you survived it and you were stronger and now you can help other people. That's the kind of narrative shift I think that really moves people ahead in life.

Kimberly Crowe: 21:31

Yeah, I had one of those too, and you mentioned landmark. So I, I I'm not a type of person in Landmark that would raise their hand and go to the mic, but some I'm surprised, no, no, that that deep down private stuff could stay deep down private and I can work on it myself. But I don't. I'm not the one that bleh in all over the audience, but there were people that would get up and ask questions that I was like that's for me, like that's a question for me. So a person got up and they said this thing happened to me when I was 13. And I was like, ooh, something happened to me when I was 13 too, right, my parents separated and I had some anger around that. And so then she said this thing happened to me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and she just kept going with it. And the leader said so, that thing happened to you at 13. That's true, that's true. How long are you going to let the 13 year old drive your bus, exactly? And I was like that was for me. Okay, I now know that I could quit being 13 when those sorts of triggers get pulled right, like I'm going to be like, oh, at 13 that happened and that was my reaction. But now I can. I can let my my older person drive my bus, I can let my now person drive my bus.

Kimberly Crowe: 22:52

So it was a really good aha moment for me that we don't have to pretend it didn't happen. We just don't have to drag it forward with us for our whole lives as if it's happening still. And all of us went through trauma, all of us. Like none of us are going to escape alive, right, like none of us get out of here alive. So we all have some level of trauma, some significantly more deep than others. That said, we can acknowledge that as true. But that happened and now that's not happening currently. Like get some therapy, like let's get you out of that eventually. But if it's, if it happened in the past, it doesn't serve us to carry it forward and relive it. And another famous speaker once said we should pay for our mistakes once. We just shouldn't pay for them.

Jami Carlacio: 23:53

Right and make other people pay while we're at it. Right, Don't charge, don't pass the charge on to other people. That's a good one. Yes, Jamie, yes, did it for one weekend, but that stuck with me, that there's your story and the story about the story, and the thing is, like you said acknowledge the trauma or acknowledge the thing or whatever it is, and own it. And yes, that happened. But you are a different person now, or at least you have the opportunity to reinvent yourself, If you haven't already. You have that power right. So take that power. You have agency. You can take ownership of this.

Kimberly Crowe: 24:42

I love that.

Kimberly Crowe: 24:43

I'm a huge fan of Abraham Hicks, which is a spirit like channeled by a lady by the name of Esther Hicks, and I just love her, I totally love her.

Kimberly Crowe: 24:55

But she talks about that and she talks about like that happened. But you don't need to keep thinking about it, because when you keep thinking about it you pull it forward into your current experience and then you bring and attract more of it to you. So maybe if you have relationship issues and you had a relationship issue and then you meet a new person and it's the same person with a different face, a new person with a different face and then you meet a new person and it's the same person with a different face, and it's because you're pulling that story about what you deserve or what happens to you forward into your current experience and you're bringing more of that toward you through law of attraction. And I'm just a huge fan of that. And it can be thinking you're rich or whatever you follow, but there is power in the world of positive thinking and positive intelligence and it works the more you work it.

Jami Carlacio: 25:49

Yeah, it does. So we can talk Joe Dispenza, louise Hay, abraham Hicks, esther Hicks we can, and it makes sense. I just really I'm a visual thinker, so I think of a magnet, and whatever the magnets putting out there is what it's going to attract. And with regard to, say, relationships, you may have different characters, but you're still in the same play. You've just changed some of the characters names and so when you start seeing the same people show up in your life, you have to look and say, well, what am I saying? What am I putting out there? And then, what am I telling myself about what I'm putting out there? Am I being a victim? Oh my gosh, this always happens to me and I'll be the first one to admit I lived in victim mentality until one day something shifted in me like day and night. It was kind of like TNT.

Jami Carlacio: 26:43

I was a chaplain in a hospital, a trauma hospital, so I was living in trauma every single day, vicarious trauma of my own, and one of the things it was part of an advanced chaplaincy training called CPE or clinical pastoral education, and we had to write a paper on the theology of woundedness and it was the best thing ever. Henry Nouwen, who was a theologian whom I admire. A Dutch theologian wrote this book called the Wounded Healer, and so as I was looking at a deep wound that I had experienced and I was doing kind of a theological explanation of the wound, it hit me. I am a healer. I don't have to live in the wound, I don't have to, you know, be beset by all of that basically crap. You know that I was living in and once I that just shifted everything for me. I literally woke up the next day a different person.

Kimberly Crowe: 27:41

Wow, because you are a healer and we can self-heal right. I'm also a fan of Brendan Burchard, who's not really in that spiritual world so much, but he talks about self-coaching and there are so many of us that are out there that are trying to help others. There are so many coaches in my world that are, you know, so heart-centered and amazing and and just, we often coach what we need to hear ourselves and so that that sort of self-coaching can be so peacemaking for the community to be able to say like you get permission to do these things as well.

Kimberly Crowe: 28:18

You get permission to to be like able to step out of victimhood. You get permission to be able to heal yourself.

Jami Carlacio: 28:25

I love that. Yeah, and it is, it is. If you need to think of it like that, then give yourself the permission. Yes, go ahead.

Jami Carlacio: 28:35

Yeah, and I like also again going back to something you said earlier I think of kind of you know those paper doll cutouts where you have a folded piece of paper and you cut out one shape and you open it up and it comes out to like 16 paper dolls. Yes, I remember those, yes, yes, from third grade or something. So I think of me as all of those different paper dolls at different points in my life, at different stages and ages, and so I love that analogy, that's beautiful.

Jami Carlacio: 29:06

And so any one of those may be triggered or come up at some point. So the 14-year-old who got ditched by a guy she liked or something or whatever, right, I can go comfort her and say yeah, that sucked.

Jami Carlacio: 29:20

That was really mean what they did to you or how he did that thing or whatever it is, and I'm here for you. You know, 60 year old Jamie is here for you and I love you. Yeah, you don't have to be her, you're you're not 14 anymore, but I will acknowledge and honor what happened to you when you were 14. That affected you and hurt you so badly.

Kimberly Crowe: 29:45

That's just beautiful. I love that, Jamie.

Jami Carlacio: 29:49

Yeah, so there's a wonderful writer. Her name is Sandra Cisneros. Oh, I know her. I'd die and go to heaven for her. She's actually from Texas. She wrote a book, a collection of short stories, called Woman Hollering Creek. Yes, you know, I do.

Kimberly Crowe: 30:07

I do and a whole sweater where she's like oh, it's such a great touching story. I love it.

Jami Carlacio: 30:13

Yeah, it's called Eleven, and it was like this teacher made her like it had something to do with the sweater and she it wasn't something that she wanted to do like take the sweater off or keep it, or it wasn't. There was a sweater.

Kimberly Crowe: 30:30

I remember this Everybody remembers this story because we all connect with it so deeply. It's just you're being wrong. So there was a red sweater in the classroom and the teacher rolled up and said whose red sweater is this? And it wasn't very pretty to her. She said it's like an ugly red sweater. And they said whose sweater is this? And it wasn't hers. So she didn't say yes. But one of the other students said I think it belongs to the little 11 year old, and she said no, it's not mine. And the teacher said I think it is yours, it's, I'm sure that it's yours, I saw you wearing it once and then gave it to her. Well, she was too shy to speak up and talk back and so she felt like humiliated by this ugly red sweater that was branded on her and it wasn't hers. It wasn't fair. It was really this emotional, sweet story.

Jami Carlacio: 31:16

Yeah, yeah, and so I feel like it's like that when there's times when we're 11.

Kimberly Crowe: 31:22

Yes.

Jami Carlacio: 31:24

And we're not 11 anymore. But we can go back and comfort that 11 year old girl and say, hey, that wasn't your sweater and yeah, don't wear it, it is ugly, you're right.

Jami Carlacio: 31:34

Whatever yeah so so we get to rewrite the narrative. I wanted to just because I know for people who may not know you I don't know who that would be, but if there are people who are watching this who don't know you, could you say a little bit about some of the stages that you have, especially like you have a lot of woo stuff going on and you have the pot of palooza. So could you just say a few things about some of the ways in which you lift other people up and help other people to raise their voices?

Kimberly Crowe: 32:03

Yeah. So if you have a positive message to share, if you are a healer or a coach and you would like to share your uplifting message with our audience, we have a fantastic virtual summit coming up. It's called Positive Shifts. So it's perfect for this audience and it's an opportunity to be able to speak interview style with me or with one of my other interviewers and it's live with the audience, so you can interact with them and answer questions with them. You don't have to have a prepared talk. You can just come on and have a conversation with me or with one of the interview hosts and we'll take great care of you.

Kimberly Crowe: 32:44

Our job is to make you look as amazing as possible. It's a very gentle, inclusive group and we try to make the experience as wonderful for you as possible. If you are an experienced speaker, we'll absolutely glorify you and sort of stay out of your way. If you're brand new at it, we'll take great care of you, make sure you look amazing, and so, anywhere you are, if you have a message to share, I encourage you to get it out on stage, because if you're not being seen, you're being overlooked.

Kimberly Crowe: 33:15

If you're not being heard, your message isn't getting out there, and if you're not getting your message out on stages regularly, then it won't have the impact you'd like it to have before you leave the planet. So my advice is get out there and get on some stages. So positive shifts is one. We also have one, if you help entrepreneurs, called Entrepreneurs Rocket Fuel Web Summit. We also have another one, called Voices of Color, for people of color to share their message, and we have another one that you've been on before, I believe, called Voices of Women. It's a fantastic opportunity on International Women's Day to share your message with the world, and it can be any message that you're passionate about, and we also have, as you mentioned, potapalooza, some other events. I'm here to make sure that your message gets heard by as many folks as possible and help you get that message out in a bigger way.

Jami Carlacio: 34:09

Yeah, and I can't tell you enough how, how gentle and fun it was when I was on the Voices of Women and I'm I can't think of her name right now, but she's one of your people. She played, she's been playfulful Out Jessica Koch.

Kimberly Crowe: 34:26

Oh yeah.

Jami Carlacio: 34:26

Yeah, she interviewed me. Oh yeah, you do not just so anyone watching this. You do not have to have any experience, you just need to know that you have something to say and somebody somewhere needs to hear it. Yeah, and so share it, share it, share it, share it.

Kimberly Crowe: 34:43

That's a great message. I so share it, share it, share it, share it.

Jami Carlacio: 34:45

That's a great message I concur, yes, and I will put all of that in the show notes, kimberly, with dates and how to sign up or how to get in touch.

Jami Carlacio: 34:52

That would be great, all right, wish I could rewrite this story, change every word of every line and, on that lovely note, thank you, thank you, and thank you so much for being here and for sharing your message and your sparkle my literal pleasure. All right, take care everybody and don't forget you can change the narrative. This is your story and you get to write it bye.